What makes an NFL QB a “real QB” ? 3

Yesterday I was bombarded with emails from Philadelphia fans about my support of Michael Vick . They stated that Michael Vick was never a real (whatever that means) quarterback.

So, I pose the sporting world with this question, what makes a QB a “real QB” ? To recap, Michael Vick played 12 years, mostly injured, passed for 21,000 yards, and rushed for roughly 6,000 yards. He is ranked number 90 out of the 250 men who have played or are playing the NFL QB position which puts him in the top 40% of all NFL QB’s of all time in passing yards.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/VickMi00.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_career.htm

I always hear that he fumbled too much or threw too many interceptions, he’s currently only 137th on the list for INT’s thrown, and 21st for fumbles.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_int_career.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/fumbles_career.htm

So, again, I pose the sporting world with what makes someone in the NFL a “real QB” ? Is it titles? If that’s the case Marino, and Kelly were not real QB’s. If it’s rings, then we’re saying Trent Dilfer was better than Marino and Kelly or that he’s parallel with Peyton Manning, and that Peyton is less of a QB than Eli since Eli has 2.

What makes an NFL QB a “real QB”?

 

3 thoughts on “What makes an NFL QB a “real QB” ?

  1. Reply TheLongTalk Dec 11, 2013 7:41 pm

    Original6 – Forgive the lateness of this reply.

    TLT would say people tend to look at the characteristics that have traditionally defined QB’s then they look at Vick’s game and say, “He’s not a traditional QB so he’s not a QB.”

    TheLongTalk doesn’t know football as well as basketball, so for a similar – but different example – lets look at Dirk Nowitzki versus Karl Malone. Because of Dirk’s size he is often considered a Power Forward but is he really a Power Forward. Dirk can shot the 3, he can run the break, he’s deadly from anywhere on the floor.

    Karl Malone is a traditional Power Forward. He posted up, he dunked, he set screens, and used his muscle to push his way to his favorite positions. He had a OK midrange shot, but you wouldn’t have seen Karl stroking it from outside the arch or dribbling up court directing a fast break.

    That was John’s job, cause John was the Point Guard.

    Does that mean Dirk’s not a Power Forward or does it just mean he’s a different kind of Power Forward?

    Vick didn’t do things like QB’s usually do. He tended, if TLT remembers right, to run a bit more, scramble a bit more, he was less a tosser then he was a mover. It seems like people tend to think that means he’s not a traditional QB.

    If you change the definition of Dog to mean Cat, then all Dogs become Cats, but do all Cats then become Dogs? Is a player a Power Forward just because you call him a Power Forward or does he have to do the things a Power Forward normally does? Is Vick a QB if he runs the ball as much as he throws it?

    The roles of traditional basketball, football – everything – are changing. The game is evolving… but change isn’t always progress and some people tend to think Point Guards bring the ball up court, that dogs bark and never purr, and that a QB should be tossing the ball or handing it off to a runner.

  2. Reply Original6 Dec 31, 2013 4:16 pm

    TLT- I have to agree with you on this one. Sports are evolving just as the athletes are evolving.

    Football players as a whole are becoming faster, bigger, stronger, and no longer fit into traditional roles.

    The same applies with basketball, we are seeing point guards that may be a teams number 1 or 2 scoring option instead of purely facilitating the offense and setting others up for success. While they can pass, the way they set others up for success is by being such an offensive threat, they draw double teams instead of pure court vision and passing ability.

    Even fighting has evolved from pure martial arts, or pure boxing, to a global phenomenon of mixed martial arts. The sport of fighting has evolved so much today that it makes it difficult to say Sugar Ray, Muhammad Ali, Iron Mike, Lennox Lewis, Foreman, etc. are fighters at all. They were boxers, and there is nothing wrong with that, but they weren’t complete fighters. Take any of those guys in their prime, and put them in a ring with a mixed martial artist and they’re in deep trouble real quick.

    The evolution of today’s athlete is naturally taking sports to a place we haven’t been before simply due to the advance in athleticism. That being said, the best in their respective business still has to be fundamentally sound, and cannot rely completely on athleticism. See Michael Jordan shifting his game from high flying dunks to defensive player of the year candidate, mid range and long range shooting. Kobe, LeBron, Dwayne, all followed suit and shifted from purely above the rim athletes to well rounded, fundamentally superior basketball players.

    A running QB is just as much a QB as a pocket passing QB. A running back who catches the ball out of the back field more times than he receives a direct hand off, is just as much a running back as the one who never receives a pass.

  3. Reply TheLongTalk Jan 2, 2014 4:59 pm

    It’s true, it all changes, then sometimes bits of it change back. The rules move and morph and eventually the game is so very different it’s hard to compare things.

    Ali PRIME versus an MMA fighter would be an interesting contest for sure… scary.

    The ones that rely to heavily on pure athletics have trouble late in their career… see Amare and the Knicks. (He developed a nice short range shot, but his explosiveness is gone and so are his days of 28 ppg) Look out Clippers and Blake, so much of his game is built on being physically superior… that doesn’t last forever.

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